tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post8442863021373539936..comments2023-10-18T09:35:55.767+02:00Comments on LUDWIG'S ROHRSTOCK-PALAST: More Alarmism from the Spanking NewsLudwighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14975294529532823252noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-29149437815075398132010-10-10T16:00:03.794+02:002010-10-10T16:00:03.794+02:00Hi, Ludwig
Only just seen this - alarmingly out o...Hi, Ludwig<br /><br />Only just seen this - alarmingly out of date with blog-reading at the moment. Good post, as ever. Hope you don't mind if I simply re-iterate what I said in my comment on the Spanking News's original post:<br /><br />--<br /><br />A couple of thoughts, writing as someone whose wife (Adele Haze) *has* actually been ‘beaten’ by one of the Eastern European producers (Lupus). As she’s written on her blog, she did it not for money – the trip left us out of pocket – but for the adventure and enjoyment of making a movie with people who are interesting, creative and responsible.<br /><br />People in the scene have different tastes. Some people enjoy giving harder whackings, some people enjoy receiving them; some people like to watch them on film. And others prefer more moderate play.<br /><br />I’d fully condone your condemnation of any sites involved in exploitation of models, or of non-consensual activity (where non-consent includes not actually understanding what they’re consenting to). I’ve written about this a fair amount on The Spanking Writers – particularly in a long thread back in February about Mood Pictures:<br />http://www.spankingwriters.com/blog/2010/02/06/police-raid-spanking-movie-producer-some-thoughts/<br /><br />I also personally dislike language that’s aggressive or demeaning towards the women being spanked – not my taste at all, although there are some women [not that many IMHO] for whom such language ‘works’ when they’re playing scenes.<br /><br />However, it strikes me that your post does make some pretty far-reaching generalisations. It strikes me that your argument would be stronger if you identified the sites to which you object so strongly – rather than making blanket criticisms – and by providing evidence to back up your (pretty serious) allegations of exploitation. That would help people to make informed decisions. Otherwise you’re casting doubt by association on the reputation of those (particularly Eastern European) producers who are ethical and sensible, and that seems to me to be unfair.Abel1234https://www.blogger.com/profile/14256647943001266865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-51165210225552790652010-09-25T18:13:20.969+02:002010-09-25T18:13:20.969+02:00just keep your spanking stories coming as they are...just keep your spanking stories coming as they are a good read also this is the first time i have seen your site.love simon.simonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-62145637941777518912010-09-23T05:50:17.385+02:002010-09-23T05:50:17.385+02:00One word to put things in perspective:
"BOXIN...One word to put things in perspective:<br />"BOXING"<br />Two consenting adults pummelling the crap out of each other for money and for the pleasure of the public.<br />Legal and loved in the bible belt and elsewhere.<br />Now leave us the f--- alone!!Gregnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-63433189831802180492010-09-22T23:38:37.220+02:002010-09-22T23:38:37.220+02:00Ludwig, Mood Pictures websites are open now. ¿More...Ludwig, Mood Pictures websites are open now. ¿More News from Pedro?Carlosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-71469253059552143482010-09-19T08:25:13.614+02:002010-09-19T08:25:13.614+02:00@ Zille, Redhead: Yes, it is my impression as well...@ Zille, Redhead: Yes, it is my impression as well that a substantial part of the CP movie audience, especially when it comes to severe videos, is made up by people who have no practical experience with BDSM at all. Perhaps because they are in a vanilla relationship and don't have the opportunity to try out their kinky fantasies for real, or perhaps because they are pure "watchers" who would have no interest in trying things out even if they could.<br /><br />Still, I don't think that it is accurate to say, as Redhead did: "Those who make spanking movies or who are active players are most likely not to be the audience." You can't generalise it like that. Pretty much all the (kinky) models I know watch CP videos themselves, not just as a matter of professional interest, but because they enjoy watching videos. As for me, I started out as a video buff and remain one even now that I have a kinky girlfriend and many other good friends in the Scene.<br /><br />@ Redhead: "IMHO, writers of such irrational criticisms either risk demonstrating a paranoid delusion that they can’t accept what they find scary inside themselves and seek to justify their fears by inflicting them on others, [...] or they are so intellectually shallow that they cannot accept that everyone’s tastes are different."<br /><br />I believe that it is usually the latter. My impression is that most of these rants are the product of what I would call a failure of imagination. The thinking goes along the lines: "I can't imagine that a model would take part in severe CP videos unless she is utterly destitute and desperate. Therefore, the videos most be exploitative. Moreover, I can't imagine that anyone in their right mind could enjoy watching this stuff. Therefore, the people who watch it must have damaged minds."<br /><br />Prefectdt: "I am getting really sick of this severity issue. I have had to remove posts about two ladies from my blog, because of criticism that they suffered over them and only this week became engaged in a dispute over comments left on another blog (not about the post itself) over severity."<br /><br />I am sick of the issue myself. Nowadays, I don't get engaged in lengthy debates about it as I used to, because frankly, it really is a waste of time for the most part. Some people get the point, others don't, and no amount of debating will ever make the latter see the light. I still write a post like this one once in a while, though. Mostly for my own amusement, and also because I keep hoping against hope that it might do some good.Ludwighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14975294529532823252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-30898447623938863532010-09-19T08:22:08.120+02:002010-09-19T08:22:08.120+02:00@ hswitch: "I resent the implication not only...@ hswitch: "I resent the implication not only that my tops are mentally damaged - but how much more mentally damaged do they consider people like me?"<br /><br />In fairness, the Spanking News seems less concerned with what kinky adults do in private play than with non-kinky models who take severe thrashings for money. So we don't know what the author would say about you or your tops. Then again, given that he thinks that all people who watch severe videos must have "pretty damaged minds", he probably thinks the same about people who engage in severe CP play in their private lives.<br /><br />One thing that is interesting, perhaps telling, about these rants is that they are almost always about videos and / or play with female spankees. Severe F/M and M/M scenes are apparently of no concern to the self-appointed moral guardians. Perhaps that is simply because F/M and M/M is not their kink, so they are not concerned with it in any shape or form. However, I can't help but think that there is often an implicit trace of sexism in these articles. The thinking seems to be that blokes can take care of themselves, but soft little females have to be protected and rescued.<br /><br />"Surely of all people we should understand that people's kinks vary?"<br /><br />I suppose so, but that is clearly not the case in practice. When I was new to the kinky community, I used to think - very naively, with hindsight - that people here would be more tolerant and open-minded than the average person, because we kinksters often experience intolerance and discrimination from society in general, so we ourselves should know better. I guess it was an idealisation of the kinky community on my part. The reality is that, while many kinksters are in fact like that, there is also a substantial and vocal minority of highly intolerant, judgmental people who believe that kink ought to be a certain way - their way - and everything else is sick. You can find them on any forum.Ludwighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14975294529532823252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-29972383716199082182010-09-18T13:15:48.970+02:002010-09-18T13:15:48.970+02:00SAFE
SANE
CONSENSUAL
ADULT
After that I think tha...SAFE<br />SANE<br />CONSENSUAL<br />ADULT<br /><br />After that I think that anyone who does not like the material just should not buy it. Not condemn it.<br /><br />I am getting really sick of this severity issue. I have had to remove posts about two ladies from my blog, because of criticism that they suffered over them and only this week became engaged in a dispute over comments left on another blog (not about the post itself) over severity.<br /><br />With a few exceptions, kinksters in general, I have observed over the years, do tend to be a very issue aware group but there are plenty of genuine issues and causes to fight for, in our little world. Sexism and persecution, to name but two. <br /><br />I think that it is time that we focused on subjects of value rather than engaged in petty arguments over severity. If all parties involved were consenting and no permanent scaring occurred, then there is no problem.<br /><br />Yours (trying not to foam at the mouth) PrefectdtSPANKEDHORTIChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01555647356077533450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-28800512652659812412010-09-18T11:06:03.858+02:002010-09-18T11:06:03.858+02:00IMHO, writers of such irrational criticisms either...IMHO, writers of such irrational criticisms either risk demonstrating a paranoid delusion that they can’t accept what they find scary inside themselves and seek to justify their fears by inflicting them on others, here by condemning and demeaning intense adult play they don’t want to exist, or they are so intellectually shallow that they cannot accept that everyone’s tastes are different.<br /> <br />The repeal of diagnoses of Fetishism, Fetishistic transvestism, Sadomasochism, Multiple disorders of sexual preference and dual-role transvestism, from Norway’s official list of medical diagnoses and the reclassification of sadomasochism in the soon-to-be-published and revised DSM-V is good news for us and bad news for them: our behavior like that of crossdressers is now simply defined as ‘non-normative’ rather than a psychiatric disorder (e.g. paranoid delusion) deserving of therapy.<br /><br />When I played rugby my aunt always asked me where I’d sustained this bruise or that scrape as she patched me up; got a couple of real scars from that. Caning or whipping someone is far less hazardous and almost as much fun!<br /> <br />@Zille I’d agree. I’ve often said that those who make spanking movies or who are active players are most likely not to be the audience – we’d rather be “doing”. If we want to play, we’re able to build network of trusted friends we’re at ease with. The marketing messages are probably positioned towards, and executed to entice the fantasies for many who simply cannot or those who would never indulge in real-time play. It’s not for me to demean how anyone consensually enjoys their fantasies.<br /><br />Have you ever seen the lurid bandes dessinées, which every large French book-shop stocks? They’re an art form in the best Sin-City-Frank-Miller-style or Barbarella-style (or with a nod to the Trekkies out there, in best Klingon-style). Many of them depict scenes way beyond anything we’d contemplate actually doing – they are created by extremely talented artists for customers who enjoy extreme fantasies. BDSM is an art form too. Put off? Don’t look! Move on! <br /><br />RRedheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14885333145873827288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-2916260926507525762010-09-18T06:49:38.708+02:002010-09-18T06:49:38.708+02:00It is a free market. As Sinatra said "Booze,...It is a free market. As Sinatra said "Booze, sex, a bible. Whatever gets you through the night."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-18682384187687539332010-09-17T23:31:23.363+02:002010-09-17T23:31:23.363+02:00Thank you so much for taking the time to take this...Thank you so much for taking the time to take this issue on, Ludwig!<br /><br />And I really love Hswitch's commments!<br /><br />I'd like to add another point to the consideration: what we are dealing with here is marketing, and in marketing the only rule is: "Find out what sells and use it!"<br /><br />I know many of the less extreme CP people say, "But that sort of thing won't sell to me!" Which is all fine and well, and why such excellent sites as NSI exist.<br /><br />But no one is factoring that both other kinds of kinky people (say people into heavy BDSM) or "vanilla"-identified people who have some dark fantasies they can only allow themselves to explore via watching porn are also voting with their money for the kinds of advertising used. They skew results, even with the less extreme spanking sites.<br /><br />I think that the "extreme" stuff grabs people's interest (unless you have such a specific fetish that you will look at nothing else -- which is rare) and so people who don't particularly identify as spankos will often not only have their attention hijacked by the more extreme images and textual descriptions, but they may also feel they are getting more for their money from a site where girls are beaten until the bleed, as opposed to just getting spanked to a nice rosy glow!<br /><br />So the Spanking News guy has it really wrong indeed! It's not even "us spankos" who are buying such "filth" and keeping the more extreme companies in business -- it's people who probably wouldn't even join a spanking forum or go to a spanking party!<br /><br />It comes down to a matter of "That's what makes money," and no argument (beyond finding something else that makes even more money!) will ever really be able to effect that. If you can get people to actually boycott a site, then you will send a message they will be heard. But if the sites still rake in a tidy profit, they are not going to change just because the guy from Spanking News, or even the spanko community as a whole, does not find their product sexy!Zille Defeuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03344588281925295518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-616982860776135414.post-35096471893936667502010-09-17T21:23:41.885+02:002010-09-17T21:23:41.885+02:00I have to delurk for this one
I boggle, I truly d...I have to delurk for this one<br /><br />I boggle, I truly do, at any spanko deciding to clutch their pearls and hyperventilate at the terrible "mental sickness" of any other consensual kink. Doesn't he realise that there are any number of people out there who would say the same about any kind of spanking? Let alone a belting or a caning of any severity? Surely of all people we should understand that people's kinks vary? <br /><br />I'm not much into m/f spanking of any stripe - being much more of an m/m fan. And a severe m/m fan. And a severe m/m bottom at that - yes I take severe canings and sometimes even *gasp* bleed. And no-one coerces me, forces me, blackmails me - or even pays me or asks me repeatedly - I'm a more than willing participant. I resent the implication not only that my tops are mentally damaged - but how much more mentally damaged do they consider people like me?<br /><br />Yes coersion is wrong, exploitation is wrong - whether the person being coerced gets their backside welted to next week or only slightly pink for 10 minutes. Assuming that anyone partaking in kinks that they do not share must be coerced is arrogant, dismissive and ridiculously judgmental.<br /><br />-HswitchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com